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		<title>Comment on Birds of A Feather&#8230; by BH</title>
		<link>http://thrivingisthegoal.com/2012/01/26/birds-of-a-feather/#comment-369</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, C.  I don&#039;t know why it somehow comforts me that anyone is proud of me, but it does.  This is a monumentally hard thing for me to do.  Sometimes I have wondered why I write about it.  But, then when I see the searches that lead people to my blog, the &quot;lurkers&quot;...it&#039;s all &quot;PTSD and Borderline mother&quot; sorts of things.  There is life after longterm abuse.  And, there&#039;s beauty everywhere, too.  That&#039;s the duality.  I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s possible to heal without it.  

As for those dastardly squirrels...oooooooooh....I&#039;ve got one that chatters and screeches at me every morning! He&#039;s a little bugger.  I wish he&#039;d just hush.  And, now he&#039;s taking to throwing things at me.  I think I&#039;m like my grandfather where they&#039;re concerned.  He loathed them, but he didn&#039;t have the heart to harm them.  Funny that he grew up on a farm.  

Are the chickadees in your state already singing the &quot;cheeseburger&quot; song--the springtime call? It&#039;s been so warm here that all the song birds are confused.  Thank you as always for stopping by.  I appreciate your presence more than I can say...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, C.  I don&#8217;t know why it somehow comforts me that anyone is proud of me, but it does.  This is a monumentally hard thing for me to do.  Sometimes I have wondered why I write about it.  But, then when I see the searches that lead people to my blog, the &#8220;lurkers&#8221;&#8230;it&#8217;s all &#8220;PTSD and Borderline mother&#8221; sorts of things.  There is life after longterm abuse.  And, there&#8217;s beauty everywhere, too.  That&#8217;s the duality.  I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s possible to heal without it.  </p>
<p>As for those dastardly squirrels&#8230;oooooooooh&#8230;.I&#8217;ve got one that chatters and screeches at me every morning! He&#8217;s a little bugger.  I wish he&#8217;d just hush.  And, now he&#8217;s taking to throwing things at me.  I think I&#8217;m like my grandfather where they&#8217;re concerned.  He loathed them, but he didn&#8217;t have the heart to harm them.  Funny that he grew up on a farm.  </p>
<p>Are the chickadees in your state already singing the &#8220;cheeseburger&#8221; song&#8211;the springtime call? It&#8217;s been so warm here that all the song birds are confused.  Thank you as always for stopping by.  I appreciate your presence more than I can say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Birds of A Feather&#8230; by casey thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[casey thompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am proud of you. My family is very important to me, and I am not going to pretend I have any idea what it feels like to make this decision. I have read your writing and I know this is the right thing for you and your girls, and truthfully for your mother also. You are a strong woman, a survivor, and you should always remember that.

I like the photo of the island in your post, and I too have been blessed having grown up surrounded by nature and having witnesses some amazing scenes. Many of them involve Eagles, they are not exactly rare in this neck of the woods, and Peregrine Falcon who return here every year to mate. My Boy loves to watch the birds on the feeder on our back porch. This time of year it is mostly chickadees and other small song birds. Of course there are also the “tirls” (squirrels) which my son also enjoys so I make no effort to get rid of them. I hear you on the language of nature and spirituality. Not from scripture at all, but from a life surrounded by it. Wishing you well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am proud of you. My family is very important to me, and I am not going to pretend I have any idea what it feels like to make this decision. I have read your writing and I know this is the right thing for you and your girls, and truthfully for your mother also. You are a strong woman, a survivor, and you should always remember that.</p>
<p>I like the photo of the island in your post, and I too have been blessed having grown up surrounded by nature and having witnesses some amazing scenes. Many of them involve Eagles, they are not exactly rare in this neck of the woods, and Peregrine Falcon who return here every year to mate. My Boy loves to watch the birds on the feeder on our back porch. This time of year it is mostly chickadees and other small song birds. Of course there are also the “tirls” (squirrels) which my son also enjoys so I make no effort to get rid of them. I hear you on the language of nature and spirituality. Not from scripture at all, but from a life surrounded by it. Wishing you well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Birds of A Feather&#8230; by BH</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for stopping by, Lady N.  A hug and a kiss I pass on.  As I read your comment, this song drifted into my head, and I had to laugh out loud! It&#039;s the Rolling Stones...&quot;No, you can&#039;t always get what you want/ You can&#039;t always get what you want/ You can&#039;t always get what you want/ And if you try sometime you find/ You get what you need&quot;

Leave it to Jagger to speak the truth.  Birds and the Stones...I so love that God loves music, too.  Even the Stones...xoxo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for stopping by, Lady N.  A hug and a kiss I pass on.  As I read your comment, this song drifted into my head, and I had to laugh out loud! It&#8217;s the Rolling Stones&#8230;&#8221;No, you can&#8217;t always get what you want/ You can&#8217;t always get what you want/ You can&#8217;t always get what you want/ And if you try sometime you find/ You get what you need&#8221;</p>
<p>Leave it to Jagger to speak the truth.  Birds and the Stones&#8230;I so love that God loves music, too.  Even the Stones&#8230;xoxo</p>
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		<title>Comment on Birds of A Feather&#8230; by n.r. lines</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.r. lines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It took me a long time to figure out I&#039;m not alone and that someone always has my back, even if that support doesn&#039;t happen in the way I want or expect it to. It never fails to amazing me how well God knows us and how, when we most need it, he comes to us in the most meaningful way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a long time to figure out I&#8217;m not alone and that someone always has my back, even if that support doesn&#8217;t happen in the way I want or expect it to. It never fails to amazing me how well God knows us and how, when we most need it, he comes to us in the most meaningful way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sadists, Puppy Love, and Our Shimmering Hearts by BH</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the girls caught me watching this, and said, &quot;You&#039;re watching the Muppets without MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!!!&quot; HIGH-larious....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the girls caught me watching this, and said, &#8220;You&#8217;re watching the Muppets without MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!!!&#8221; HIGH-larious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sadists, Puppy Love, and Our Shimmering Hearts by Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Courtney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://thrivingisthegoal.com/2012/01/11/sadists-puppy-love-and-our-shimmering-hearts/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/h5Mc55P1i9g/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Sadists, Puppy Love, and Our Shimmering Hearts by Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Courtney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following the therapy theme:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following the therapy theme:</p>
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		<title>Comment on Water, Water Everywhere, But Not A Drop to Drink by BH</title>
		<link>http://thrivingisthegoal.com/2012/01/09/water-water-everywhere-but-not-a-drop-to-drink/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Misogyny, unfortunately, is pervasive everywhere, isn&#039;t it? One finds that it takes various forms in all organized religions--hence, the burqa in Islam, the extraordinarily modest clothing in the more orthodox branches of Judaism (amongst the Chasidim), the literal interpretation of verses like that of 1 Tim. resulting in certain fundamental sects of Pentecostals not allowing woman to ever cut their hair or wear anything other than skirts or dresses.  I could go on...

Much of this legalism is enacted, it seems, to prevent men from being tempted.  When I was living in France, the N. African men accosted me on a regular basis particularly if they were new to the country.  I couldn&#039;t walk anywhere without a male escort.  I was groped, grabbed, fondled on public transportation.  Why? What was their reason? They were not responsible for their reactions, they said.  In their country, women covered up.  In the &quot;decadent West&quot;, women were on display, and were, therefore, advertising their bodies.  They wanted to be accosted.  What&#039;s more, their definition of &quot;advertising&quot; was simply NOT wearing a burqa.  I don&#039;t show cleavage (I don&#039;t have any), short skirts, or &quot;flaunt&quot; myself.  At that time, my uniform was jeans, Doc Martins, and some form of vintage jacket.  There was no form of flaunting.  They told me I was a &quot;slut&quot; because I had blonde hair.  So, here we are...isn&#039;t &quot;modesty&quot; a subjective notion though?

To be totally frank, I know women who could seduce a man in a turtleneck and full-length skirt.  And, I know women who could walk into Starbucks in a bikini and no more successfully take home a phone number than my pet rock.  As I&#039;ve said, &quot;modesty&quot; or &quot;self-control&quot; or &quot;self-respect&quot; that extends to respecting others starts in the mind and heart.  And, I&#039;ll also say with fair certainty, and not as an apologist, that Christians don&#039;t have the market cornered on misogyny.  For some reason though, we just tend to be the more vocal group in this country.  I don&#039;t know why.  Is it because we come off as prudish and anti-sex? Maybe...it&#039;s something to ponder.  Hmmm....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misogyny, unfortunately, is pervasive everywhere, isn&#8217;t it? One finds that it takes various forms in all organized religions&#8211;hence, the burqa in Islam, the extraordinarily modest clothing in the more orthodox branches of Judaism (amongst the Chasidim), the literal interpretation of verses like that of 1 Tim. resulting in certain fundamental sects of Pentecostals not allowing woman to ever cut their hair or wear anything other than skirts or dresses.  I could go on&#8230;</p>
<p>Much of this legalism is enacted, it seems, to prevent men from being tempted.  When I was living in France, the N. African men accosted me on a regular basis particularly if they were new to the country.  I couldn&#8217;t walk anywhere without a male escort.  I was groped, grabbed, fondled on public transportation.  Why? What was their reason? They were not responsible for their reactions, they said.  In their country, women covered up.  In the &#8220;decadent West&#8221;, women were on display, and were, therefore, advertising their bodies.  They wanted to be accosted.  What&#8217;s more, their definition of &#8220;advertising&#8221; was simply NOT wearing a burqa.  I don&#8217;t show cleavage (I don&#8217;t have any), short skirts, or &#8220;flaunt&#8221; myself.  At that time, my uniform was jeans, Doc Martins, and some form of vintage jacket.  There was no form of flaunting.  They told me I was a &#8220;slut&#8221; because I had blonde hair.  So, here we are&#8230;isn&#8217;t &#8220;modesty&#8221; a subjective notion though?</p>
<p>To be totally frank, I know women who could seduce a man in a turtleneck and full-length skirt.  And, I know women who could walk into Starbucks in a bikini and no more successfully take home a phone number than my pet rock.  As I&#8217;ve said, &#8220;modesty&#8221; or &#8220;self-control&#8221; or &#8220;self-respect&#8221; that extends to respecting others starts in the mind and heart.  And, I&#8217;ll also say with fair certainty, and not as an apologist, that Christians don&#8217;t have the market cornered on misogyny.  For some reason though, we just tend to be the more vocal group in this country.  I don&#8217;t know why.  Is it because we come off as prudish and anti-sex? Maybe&#8230;it&#8217;s something to ponder.  Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Water, Water Everywhere, But Not A Drop to Drink by elsmama</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elsmama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your post, you have hit upon one of the biggest issues I have with organized Judeo-Christian religions. Where is the personal responsibility for men? Are we not sufficiently civilized to be able to control our baser instincts? Whether one is scientifically oriented or theologically minded, this seems to be at the root of much of the woman-hatred and shaming in our current culture.

i believe that saying, &quot;The woman tempted me!&quot; has long been used as a convenient out for men who choose to behave badly. It is so much easier to point a finger at someone else than to look at oneself and say, &quot;I chose to do the wrong thing.&quot;

I sincerely hope that I am instilling in my daughters a respect for themselves that will transcend the barrage of sexually degrading messages in the wider world. I do not want them to be ashamed of their bodies, and I definitely don&#039;t want them to feel that they need to dress provocatively to get attention they lack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your post, you have hit upon one of the biggest issues I have with organized Judeo-Christian religions. Where is the personal responsibility for men? Are we not sufficiently civilized to be able to control our baser instincts? Whether one is scientifically oriented or theologically minded, this seems to be at the root of much of the woman-hatred and shaming in our current culture.</p>
<p>i believe that saying, &#8220;The woman tempted me!&#8221; has long been used as a convenient out for men who choose to behave badly. It is so much easier to point a finger at someone else than to look at oneself and say, &#8220;I chose to do the wrong thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that I am instilling in my daughters a respect for themselves that will transcend the barrage of sexually degrading messages in the wider world. I do not want them to be ashamed of their bodies, and I definitely don&#8217;t want them to feel that they need to dress provocatively to get attention they lack.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Water, Water Everywhere, But Not A Drop to Drink by BH</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 22:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t tell if you are rebutting my point or agreeing or a mix.  In the beginning of the quote that you cite, I say &quot;If she feels invisible...&quot; I&#039;m speaking about girls who feel that they are unnoticed regardless of what they do or how they dress.  I was one of those girls growing up.  There are, of course, a plethora of teens who know exactly what they are doing.  That girl I mentioned before? She knows it, too.  My daughter reports that she rubs her body up and down various boys in the high school while cooing naughty things in their ears.  Oh yes...she knows.  Does she know just how strong the effect is? I would argue possibly not.  At least, I HOPE not.  And yes, I would agree with you completely.  Popular culture does tell us all that if we aren&#039;t sexy and skinny and skilled in bed, then we are losers.  And, yes, certain people have bought the lie.  Thank God, popular culture isn&#039;t the only view out there.  There really is so much more to behold in the world.  So much beauty, so much life, so much to take in that has nothing to do with popular culture.  But, I&#039;ve found a lot of beauty and redemptive values in books and movies.  Music videos? Ummm....well.....hmmmm.  Okay...not so much.  Magazines? Uh....not Cosmo.  I can tell you that.  But, I&#039;ve also found that with practice and discernment, I usually find what I&#039;m looking for.  If I&#039;m looking for redemption, I find it.  If I&#039;m looking for beauty, I find it.  If I&#039;m looking for desolation and forsakenness? Well, I&#039;ll find that, too.  It&#039;s all in how I reframe it.  Teaching my daughters to do that has been a pleasure, and I&#039;m finding that they&#039;re quite good at it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell if you are rebutting my point or agreeing or a mix.  In the beginning of the quote that you cite, I say &#8220;If she feels invisible&#8230;&#8221; I&#8217;m speaking about girls who feel that they are unnoticed regardless of what they do or how they dress.  I was one of those girls growing up.  There are, of course, a plethora of teens who know exactly what they are doing.  That girl I mentioned before? She knows it, too.  My daughter reports that she rubs her body up and down various boys in the high school while cooing naughty things in their ears.  Oh yes&#8230;she knows.  Does she know just how strong the effect is? I would argue possibly not.  At least, I HOPE not.  And yes, I would agree with you completely.  Popular culture does tell us all that if we aren&#8217;t sexy and skinny and skilled in bed, then we are losers.  And, yes, certain people have bought the lie.  Thank God, popular culture isn&#8217;t the only view out there.  There really is so much more to behold in the world.  So much beauty, so much life, so much to take in that has nothing to do with popular culture.  But, I&#8217;ve found a lot of beauty and redemptive values in books and movies.  Music videos? Ummm&#8230;.well&#8230;..hmmmm.  Okay&#8230;not so much.  Magazines? Uh&#8230;.not Cosmo.  I can tell you that.  But, I&#8217;ve also found that with practice and discernment, I usually find what I&#8217;m looking for.  If I&#8217;m looking for redemption, I find it.  If I&#8217;m looking for beauty, I find it.  If I&#8217;m looking for desolation and forsakenness? Well, I&#8217;ll find that, too.  It&#8217;s all in how I reframe it.  Teaching my daughters to do that has been a pleasure, and I&#8217;m finding that they&#8217;re quite good at it.</p>
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